Recruiting and Retention Task Force

Monday, May 16, 2022 - 11:00 AM


Joe Pete Wilson - Chairman


Chairman Wilson called this task force to order at 11:24 am with the following in attendance: Shaun Gillilland, Ken Hughes, Steve McNally, Jim Monty, Ike Tyler, Joe Pete Wilson, Mark Wright, Linda Beers, Jenn Mascarenas, Mike Mascarenas, Terri Morse and Dan Palmer. Stephanie DeZalia, Chelsea Merrihew and Wendy Sayward had been previously excused. Tom Scozzafava, was absent.


Also present: Dina Garvey, Jim Dougan, and Joe Keegan - North Country Community College.


News Media present: Tim Rowland - Sun Community News


WILSON: Iím sorry to be in kind of a rush, we went long and I mistimed the budget meeting in Lake Placid, I thought it was at 2:00 and Shaun informed me itís at 1:00. So, I wanted to make sure I have time to get through the construction in the Cascades and not miss that. So, Iím going to try to be out of here at like 10 of 12:00. So, I apologize for rushing, but I want to keep us moving.

So, the agenda I came up with maybe a lot of it will carryover until our next meeting, but this will give us some time to think. You know, I wanted to do a quick update, especially with so many people here, of all the work weíve done so far and childcare has been a big one. Committing the ARPA funds to support ACAPís program.

The land bankís got a lot underway with Ken and Jim are doing a lot with the land bank. Weíve got the market analysis RFP out, too, with the grant money from Lake Champlain Basin Program. So, I think and Mark has been in some conversation with Larry Reagan from, whoís doing the development in Lake Placid. So, weíve got some stuff working there.

I just want people to not think weíre losing track of that, but if thereís stuff this Committee can do to support the land bank efforts, to support what Markís during to explore Ti, you know, please let us know so that we can really throw our weight and energy behind efforts in those areas.

The presentation by Donna Wotton from the Ti Alliance was really impressive, what theyíre doing. So, maybe a thought for our next meeting is, what can this group do to support the Ti Alliance, but help replicate that in our communities?


MORSE: So, I would like to comment on that. I read the minutes from that meeting and the whole time I was reading it, I was like, this fits clearly into the BRIEF Coalition initiatives.




MORSE: This is something that that entity could definitely connect with her on and, because they have something they call school outreach and they have relationships with every, like school counselor in the County and I think that would be a nice bridge for the BRIEF Coalition. Weíre already working on transitioning aged youth stuff, so itís a wonderful compliment.


WILSON: Thatís awesome, so do you have, do you need to facilitate an introduction to Donna or are you already reaching out?


MORSE: I would love to have an introduction; I do not know who she is. I have never met her.


WILSON: Mark, do you want to do it? Iím happy to do it, but I know you work closely with Donna. Do you want to introduce Terri and Donna?




WILSON: Thatís great, thatís wonderful and then how do we, that maybe one pathway using BRIEF to help to look for ways to bring that kind of, look for communities that maybe have an organization who can replicate what Ti Alliance is doing. Thatís wonderful, great and let me know anything I can do to facilitate that, too. And I know, Joe, youíve already connected with Donna, as well, to align in any ways that the college can.


MORSE: And weíve been wanting to reach out to you, too, Joe.


KEEGAN: Please do.


WILSON: Great, so, youíve got that connection, excellent. So, I think thatís a way that this Committee can really work, too, is to make these connections and try and replicate these efforts in other parts of the County, so thatís great.

Maybe, Ken, Iíll slip your update into the status.




WILSON: If you want to go ahead?


HUGHES: Yeah, very quickly. So, job fair weíve decided to punt on holding the job fair this spring, just because of timing. It was too quick and we really want to make a slam dunk out of this, so weíre going to look toward the fall. Jim, Holly and Tracy; Holly from DPW, Tracy from DSS, Jim and myself, weíre going to be meeting, here, May 18th, 9:30 to begin strategizing and kind of laying the groundwork for fall success. So, if you have ideas and suggestions, we have a lot of information already gathered, we all are just going to sit and eat and talk and begin to prepare things for the fall. So, any questions, comments, concerns, feel free to join or reach out to Jim or myself, thatís it.


WILSON: Okay, excellent.


MASCARENAS: Joe Pete, can I just follow up on that a little bit?


WILSON: Certainly, yes.


MASCARENAS: The Youth Bureauís, also, going to be, I donít have the dates in front of me, and it will probably be small this year, but weíre going to do it anyway, even though it is kind of, what Ken said, we maybe should have punted, but weíre not going to. What weíre going to do is hold a youth job fair over at the fairgrounds, next month to try and connect youth employment with some of our seasonal jobs that are open. We have a few schools that are going to participate, theyíll bus kids there. We got vendors from the food industry, the Camp Dudleyís of the world that are looking for employment and itís our first try at kind of doing something like this, so if itís not great, Iím okay with it. I think next year weíll do much better, but weíre going to do it either way. So, if you hear about it or have anybody thatís interested, let me know.


HUGHES: And thatís super smart, because youíre trying to fill jobs for this summer.


MASCARENAS: Absolutely.


HUGHES: So, the timing is perfect.


MASCARENAS: So, thatís why it has to happen that time of year and hopefully it can turn into an annual event that will help our local businesses that operate seasonally to fill some of those jobs that are struggling to get filled.


TYLER: We have 4 or 5 places in Westport, this year, and I donít know how theyíre going to open up, you know, I donít know where theyíre going to get their employees.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, weíve reached out to a number of individuals. What weíve heard from one private person is, I canít come, Iíve got to run my place; right?Iím doing all the prep, Iím doing all this, Iím doing all that. So, weíve agreed to take anything they would give us, whether it be applications and those types of things and set up booths for them, even if they canít be available the night of the job fair, but connecting these young people with employment and trying to help in any way we can is kind of our goal.


MORSE: Mike, would it be worth reaching out to chambers of commerce?


MASCARENAS: Yeah, weíre doing that currently. Yup, Dee Olcottís running it all. I donít know if you know her? Sheís our newest Youth Bureau employee, sheís our only Youth Bureau employee. So, sheís worried that itís not going to be that successful, but like I said, Iím okay with that. Youíve got to start somewhere and thatís where weíre going to start.


BEERS: Did you invite every school?


MASCARENAS: Yeah, sheís included every school and allowing them to visit, some it works, some it doesnít. Transportation, bus drivers are issues schools are having; right? So, thereís a lot of barriers to getting people there. So, weíll see and hoping to be able to work on our big issues during the off season for next year.


KEEGAN: So, Mike, your comment jarred an idea in my head. So, we developed or put into place a platform, itís a digital platform to connect students with careers and primarily with employers, but the County is welcome to go in and post. So, Linda; you, Terri; you, Mike.


MASCARENAS: Thatís really a good idea.


KEEGAN: Iíll have our folks that are working on it connect with you and then that way you can, which includes the youth, you know, if you wanted to, even summer jobs, we can look and see if thatís an option there, as well.


MASCARENAS: That would be really cool, thank you.


WILSON: Yeah, thanks.


MONTY: I just wanted to pipe in, real quick, as far as, childcare goes. Weíve opened the enrollment for our summer program, the first 3 days we have over 50 kids signed up. We are opening it up to anybody that, outside communities that want to come in. Itís on a first, if anybodyís interested, first come, first served, because we got to primarily take the kids from our school district, thatís the number one priority, but right now weíve got a waiting list of people from other communities. Weíve got 3 families from Keene, Joe Pete, that want to bring their kids over. So, we do have that program that is available for, basically, if you start kindergarten in September, youíre eligible to go and itís 7:30 until 4:30.


MORSE: Whatís your maximum?


MONTY: Right now, the Department of Health has us at 100, right now and last year we had, actually 104, I believe 4 were on a waiting list and we averaged 86 kids a day. So, make sure, as far as, Department Heads, get that information out, if you know anybody looking for a place to bring their kids.


TYLER: Is it true that Moriahís not running a program?


MASCARENAS: They are running one.


TYLER: They are?


MASCARENAS: Theyíre running it at BOCES. What makes Jimís program so attractive, I am hearing from a lot of my employees in DSS, that maybe live in Moriah or surrounding towns is, hours of operations.


BEERS: Yeah, Iím sure.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, so where they might close at 2:00 in the afternoon and then, how do I get my kid home, you know, whoís going to watch them between now and work being over and those types of things. They want to just go across the road and pick them up at Elizabethtown, because heís open until 4:30 and thatís really accommodating that need that wasnít there in the past.


TYLER: Itís not Elizabethtown school, itís Boquet Valley.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, itís Boquet Valley.


MONTY: And we have a young lady who volunteers to stay, until all kids are picked up. So, if theyíre not there right at 4:30, but she is compensated for it at the end of the year.


MASCARENAS: Itís really a great service that youíre doing for County workers, because I donít think you realize how many.


BEERS: It is.


MONTY: I see it when they sign up.


MCNALLY: Is this a free program, Jim?


MONTY: Nope, itís not free. We raised it to $75.00 for 6 weeks, per kid.


MCNALLY: So, itís pretty much free.


MONTY: But, for out of district kids itís $150.00, but you get a discount for the 2nd kid and 3rd kidís free.


MCNALLY: Jim, what is your operating budget?


MONTY: To be honest with you, right off the top of my headÖ


MASCARENAS: Itís not that high, really.


TYLER: He tells me $30,000.00, so I donít know what heís telling everybody else.


MASCARENAS: I think thatís probably there; right? The food is separate.


MONTY: Right, right, we serve breakfast and lunch.


MASCARENAS: Breakfast and lunch at that program, which is great.


BEERS: When you say, out of district, you mean out of Boquet Valley District?


MONTY: Out of Boquet Valley District.


BEERS: Thank you, I just wanted to be clear.


WILSON: So, thatís great and some of what youíre bringing up Terri and Joe and Mike, brings up to me, what I think the next step Iím looking at for this Committee is, we need to have a plan, an overall plan, because how, like we were talking in the beginning, how do we reinforce what the Ti Alliance is doing and draw in, like the other, like BRIEF? How do we replicate things in other parts of the County? What youíre doing Jim, is amazing. How do we help you do that and then help that happen in other towns?


TYLER: Itís not Jim, Westportís helping out.




MONTY: For Boquet Valley.


WILSON: Yeah, but how do we replicate that effort? You know, you guys are doing something that hasnít been done here before. Itís been town by town, everybody does their own little piece. How do we take a more regional approach and draw in other resources, so that, you know, these things are sustainable? They reach, you know, they let parents work all over the county. I mean, I know that employment piece, you know, hotels in Lake Placid are not staffed. Weíre struggling to staff our youth commission program and it may not run. How do we draw on, you know, make our efforts more sustainable and more easy to replicate in other parts of the county? So, what I was thinking in this second part of this agenda, is weíve been kicking out good ideas about referral bonus for current employees, the job listing catalogue and career pathways at Essex County. You know, Donna Wotton, sort of talked about how they were doing that. How do we do stuff like that? Having Department Heads do recruiting, you know how are we going to do this stuff if we donít have a plan, the resources to back it up? You know, if Department Heads are going to do recruiting, we got to train them to do that, and weíve got to pay them to do that, weíve got to make sure they have the time to do that. If Jen is going to take on more of the outreach, the marketing, how, where is she going to focus her effort? What skills is she going need from her employees and how are we going to pay for it? I think if we go away from this short, rush meeting with one thing, itís thinking about that last point, you know, whatís our strategy going to be? What are the things that we want to focus on? How are we going to conduct our marketing, our training of Department Heads? Like what is that weíre going to ask people to do to start changing, you know, to get more result from our recruitment, to get people here? Because we know the follow on effect is there, itís good for school enrollment, itís good for, you know, our fire departments to have potential volunteers, but how are we going to start here, interiorly, to help start to develop a strategy and then a plan to carry that strategy, because I donít think itís fair to just dump it all on Jen and say, okay do this. Or if we are going to do that, we at least got to give her the tools to do it. So, if this Committee says, yeah, weíre going to dump it all on Jen, letís give her the tools to do it and the same, if weíre going to put more on Department Heads, we got to give them some tools. So, if we want to refine that idea, a little bit, but then come back and really talk about it, I think thatís the next step for this group to really revise what weíre doing with a plan and then give the resources to do, so that Department Heads can still run their department and not be, you know, expected to just take one more task. Hereís just one more giant task. So, if anybody has any thoughts about that, any starting points or concerns, I would love to get them out there, so at our next meeting can really dig into this.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, I can tell you for me, personally and I think I can probably speak for most Department Heads, Iím not doing that, Department Heads are very reactionary to whatís in front of them at any given time; right? I mean Linda wasnít dealing with the pandemic, until she was and it consumed her for the next two and half years, it continues to consume her, today. For me, on this job issue, itís become part of my life. Itís become something that we have to do, if weíre going to succeed and it comes at the expense of not doing other things; right? So, when youíre dealing with a pandemic, youíre losing the opportunity to do some of the, you know, public health things that you had focused on in years past, thatís just what happens, you have to shift focus. For me, Iíve had to shift focus to be able to get workers into my office and it just comes at the expense of other things. I think thatís just kind of what we do, but understanding that we all have to be active participants in doing that, Iím starting to benefit from that now, but itís been a year and a half worth of outreach, personal, just going to job fairs, recruiting people, word of mouth in the community, changing a little on social media how we approach things, but itís been a lot of different efforts, but I can tell you, our Departments Heads are excellent, theyíre resilient, they are going to do whateverís necessary to get the job done, but know that itís at the expense of not doing something else. Whether itís some kind of service provision or something like that, but without a workforce your service provision is going to fall through, anyhow. So, to me thatís at the top of your list, is getting people through the door, you know, some people will try to put bandaids by taking on more work. Thatís only going to hold up for so long before you need to have a workforce that can accommodate what youíre trying to accomplish. So, I think Dan and I are starting to talk about it more at Department Head Meetings, in the importance of getting people involved in our workforce that actually do the work, because they really are our best advocates in getting people.


BEERS: I would equally add that, even, so I have a bunch of new employees and the idea of lifting them up to be trained employees is also massive and so, I would, I donít know, maybe something this Committee could do is do some universal training of all new, so, Mountain Lake Services, they have an intake, once a month, everybody goes through the same OSHA training and whatnot, because that is universal to all employees, maybe even a 3-day training that new hires go through that as one less thing or burden off of us that we would have to do and everybody would have this core training. I donít know, performed by somebody other than us.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, I have a staff development person, Iím fortunate and Ken, knows her and Jim, knows her, so every new employee she deals with.


BEERS: I have the same thing, but she also has another job; right? And so, each one of my departments are really different, if youíre a nurse, youíre doing a lot different than Health Educator and whatnot, but thereís still core stuff that we make everybody do, the OSHA, the handbook, the da, da, da, I usually send them to Jen and hope they get this overarching training, too, there. But, it might be an easier lift. Right now, I have like, everybody I hired in the last few years come in and did Covid, thatís all they did and thatís all they know, but thatís not their job anymore. So, weíre doing work plans on 7 employees, all at the same time. Thatís a huge lift bringing people in the door and training them.


MONTY: Two quick things, I couldnít agree more, Mike, with what you said and then the trickledown effect, it trickle downs, because now Danís got different responsibilities and now Tracyís got different responsibilities and each time you trickle it down, everyoneís obligations to what they have to do kind of take up a different level and stuff and itís very tough, but I do agree with your statement, 100%.

The other thing is, have we ever thought at the County of hiring, within Personnel, specifically, a training specialist? That would specifically be there to train new employees, granted, now Jimís employees is going to be different than Mikeís, which is going to be different than Lindaís, which are going to be different from Terriís, everybody departmentís a little different, but they would be responsible for that training, giving them the ability to see, number one, that maybe that thereís promotion opportunities, if you do this and you know, whatever the training might be thatís universal to all employees, they would be the oneís giving it and just a thought.


WILSON: But, I think again, thatís part of the bigger strategy, because if we are going to do that, what are the components of that orientation going to be? Part of it might be the career pathways, you start here as a shovel operator, where do you go from there? You know, so itís showing the doorway into being a lifelong employee here, even if your role might change 2 or 3 times. But, I think that fits into the big strategy and again, tying it to how do we sustain it, whoís responsible for it, but I think that orientation, thatís a key time, when youíve got them fresh and their eyes are open, just whoís doing it, so we standardize that, great, whoís going to do it? You know, those are the kinds of things we need to decide on our strategy and then fit those things in and the resources for it.

I want to check in with you, Jen, is this, are we covering stuff that seems reasonable and like this discussionís heading in a way thatís reasonable to you?




GILLILLAND: I just have a couple of ideas; from the discussions here, in particular with Jimís program and stuff and the idea of, if we put together a guide, basically for our new employees or we hand it out at our recruiting events and things. I just call it, Working, Living, Loving Essex County and so it provides all these pieces of information, schools, summer camps, daycare, you know, Iím from Pittsburgh, how do I get my water turned on?You know, these kinds of things, all in one document, that we can give to new employees of how to live and have a good time and you know enjoy Essex County or how to deal with things here within the County structure. Or we could, also, have that online, as well.

And the other idea that I had is going on the training specialist here, might be, is also, as an additional duty or as a primary duty, you know for onboarding our new employees, also, but also having the role as a community ombudsman for our employees. So, that somebody, an employee whoís here, a young person, somebody starts to run into problems out in the community or has an issue with housing or things like that, then thereís a certain point that they can do within the County, you know, government structure, Iíve got a problem, I need help with us. Because, if we can help these people before it becomes a crisis, you know, as a training specialist, ombudsman, that they can reach out to the town or they can reach out to the school, they can help these employees with that, just an idea.


HUGHES: I just wanted to say, when I was a new employee, something that was very helpful to me, was the Q&A you put together for new supervisors. That was awesome, I mean direct question, direct answer, maybe there could be a similar document for new department heads, maybe there could be a similar document for new employees, something like that? I just learned so much from that document, and itís always modified, based on new questions that come up, that was hugely helpful.


MONTY: I just wanted to chime in on what Shaun was saying, I agree 100%, but with that being said, we do have a program in place for that, itís the Employee Assistance Program. Unfortunately, itís underutilized. Itís underutilized just because of the stigmatism of, Iíve got problems, I canít go to EAP, somebody sees me going to EAP then, you know, and I faced that when I worked for the State. You know, people didnít want to go and share their problems, because they were afraid they were going to be seen by somebody and it could be just as simple as finding daycare, finding housing and stuff, but the stigma of people using EAP.


GILLILLAND: You know, sometimes you just change the billboard, itís not EAP.


MONTY: Yeah, absolutely, I agree, Shaun.


WILSON: But, again, these are excellent ideas to discuss implementing. What I would ask and I do want to wrap up and I apologize, again, for rushing, I want to make sure that I donít get stuck in the Cascade Lakes, all day and I know youíve got to make that drive and other people are going up there. But, what I would ask is, bring these ideas to the next meeting, but think about the big piece. How do we fit this in? Where are we going to need people to oversee stuff? What kind of resources and tools are we going to have to develop? You know and we should really clearly define our goals, too. Is it just recruiting? Is it more than that? You know, what is it that weíre after and then we can really start coming up with how we get to the point of implementing some of these ideas.


MASCARENAS: We do have one action item that we need to get accomplished by next meeting. It doesnít have to get accomplished, now, people have to think about it. When we were doing recruitment and retention, last year or the year before, I canít remember, we looked at the life insurance that we offer every employee in Essex County, $50,000.00 life insurance policy for full-time employee, $25,000.00 life insurance policy for part-time employee, that runs out in July. So, this Committeeís got to decide whether theyíre going to recommend to Full Board whether that policy is renewed. The cost is $34,000.00 for our total membership to get that renewed. That was something that we did 2 years ago, now. So, thatís something, you donít have to make a decision now, everybodyís got to get going, but we have, we definitely have an action item that we got to talk about in June, as that policy runs out in July.


WILSON: Iíll put it on the agenda for our next and if you want to send a little, like blurb with information out to the group, that would be great.




WILSON: That would be great.


MCNALLY: I think weíre missing out on the opportunity on the referral program. Itís something that could get started, today. I mean, even if we hire 60 employees and we gave $500.00, itís $30,000.00, probably payable through ARPA and this is something we could start.


BEERS: What are we talking about?


MCNALLY: The referral program.


BEERS: Oh, Iím sorry. Mountain Lakes Services does that.


MCNALLY: Everybodyís doing it.


BEERS: Itís valuable.


HUGHES: Do we have to have something written up?


MCNALLY: It would be very quick to do and we keep kicking the can down the road, if we donít get something acted on. It works everywhere and it gives the employees a sense of being part of the team, thereís no downside, except the money cost. So, I think we should really act on this, as soon as we can.


WILSON: So, Iíll put on the next, for our next meeting.


HUGHES: Can we have something written up for the next meeting to look at?


WILSON: Yeah, yeah


HUGHES: That would be huge.


MCNALLY: You know, even if do a $1,000.00 and they get $500.00 after 6 months and $500.00 after a year.


BEERS: I can get Mountain Lakes Services.


WILSON: If you have a sample, yeah, because I thinking about that.


BEERS: And I sit on a board and we did one. Iíll give you two samples.


WILSON: Yeah, if you could send me a sample.


MCNALLY: I do have a friend that does the same job, you know, works in Ti doing the same job for the health center down there and you basically, thatís where you get your best employees.


WILSON: Any other? Thank you, everybody, sorry for the rush.








Respectively Submitted,




Dina L. Garvey, Deputy

Clerk of the Board