Monday, April 15, 2024 - 9:30 AM


Mark Wright, Chairperson

Ike Tyler, Vice-Chairperson


Chairman Wright called this Human Services Committee to order at 9:30 am with the following Supervisors in attendance: Clayton Barber, Matthew Brassard, Chris Clark, Robin DeLoria, Derek Doty, Shaun Gillilland, Charlie Harrington, Kenneth Hughes, Steve McNally, Jim Monty, Cathleen Reusser, Favor Smith, Matthew Stanley, Michael Tyler, Joe Pete Wilson, Davina Thurston, Meg Wood and Mark Wright.


Department Heads present: James Dougan, Judy Garrison, Miriam Hadden, Mary McGowan, Mike Mascarenas, Jack Moulton, David Reynolds, Heather Sheehan, Matt Watts and Dan Woods.†† Kristy Sprague was excused.


Deputies Present: Josh Favro, Eric Weyand and William Tansey.


News Media present: Sun News Ė Alana Penny.


WRIGHT:Weíll call the public safety meeting to order.Please stand for the pledge.Thank you.Chairman Gillilland, you have a guest.


GILLILLAND: Yes.I would like to if I could let our Deputy County Attorney come forward give privilege to the floor. As many of you know we are all subject to the change in the election years and it was an amendment that came down from the legislature, signed by the Governor to make us all even year elections.A number of counties have gone on to sue the state that it is a violation of home rule and so I asked Bill to look at it and brief the board you guys can decide if you either want to join or go ahead initiate a lawsuit against the state on this particular issue.


TANSEY:Good morning. Welcome to Monday.Even Law County Law 400, sets elections at even years. The county of Onondaga and the county of Nassau have sued the State of New York Governor Hochul saying that this even law election year is unconstitutional.

Let me just give a little bit of background here. Article 9, Section 1 of the New York State Constitution gives counties the right to determine their own elections when those elections are held and who gets to run.New York Constitution Article 9 also gives counties the legal authority to create county charters these are mechanisms to design and implement their own Governments and itís important to note in the lawsuit that Onondaga and Nassau county have charters they are both charter counties.In their lawsuit they are suing the constitutionality of the home rule.County Law 6a authorizes county charters and county charters cannot implicate anything with taxation, education or school districts.The even year election law and without saying one way or the other, it effects voter turnout, when local officials are elected, it creates ballot confusion, it diminishes local issues, it increases the cost of running a campaign and it increases and decreases again depending on your perspective the ability to attract qualified candidates and those are all issues that are up for debate.

The lawsuit and itís put together by a Judge, Ed Carni who retired from the 4th Appellate.Heís with Hancock Estrabrook, LLP out in Syracuse and heís suing based on the fact that the Even Year Local Law is unconstitutional because it goes against Article 9 of the Constitution, it effects the Countyís Government, tells us how we have to run our Government.He argues that itís not a general law.A general law has to apply to all counties and this is labeled as a general law but it does not apply to all counties obviously Nassau and Onondaga have county charters so they are arguing that it doesnít apply to them and heís also arguing that this special election law is not a special law.A special law is a law created on request by a county or other Government official and no one requested this other than the New York Legislature they donít qualify in that request.†† Those are the three basis for the lawsuit.

Jumping on board I did speak to the attorney, it would be tough because we are not a county charter so we donít have the same fact pattern.The way we would fit in is under the County Law, the existing county law 6a in that we were given the power as a county to set our own Government and run our own government and we were told not to get involved in taxation, special education which we havenít so these local election laws should be unconstitutional. This is a path that Ed Carni is willing to explore and further research thatís my brief.Any questions?


GILLILLAND:So as he said Onondaga and Nassau County have joined in I originally asked Bill to take a look and see if can join or do a criminal court whatever brief on it but we can explore this, we can query other non-charter counties to see if they want to go forward with this. Iím looking for the boardís thoughts on this because this Even Year Election issue is just another nail in the coffin of us losing our rights to home rule throughout our own counties and this was a purely political issue Democrats against Republicans and this board prides itself on its bipartisanship and nonpartisanship and I think this is an issue that we need to stand up against personally.I will look for your comments.


STANLEY: I think we have the ability as towns to set either limits for two years or limits for four years for our Supervisors and we have a mixture of that in here.I think the State forcing us to move to even years takes away the local election and it puts us right where the State and National politics are us vs. them.I think we need to keep our odd years so that local issues will be on the forefront of those years because thatís what it is. I think we all sit here and we all agree about a lot of things, we all have ideas one way or the other but we can actually debate them without saying youíre Republican, youíre a Democrat and I think we need to keep it that way and I think we need to join this.


MONTY: I concur with both Shaun and Matt and I think itís just one more step that the State is trying to take our control away to make us become one with the State and we are own separate county within the State we abide by their rules.It comes a point in time when our rules and a lot of the rules that go on in Albany that affect us shouldnít affect us and I think itís very important that we keep it as is.


DELORIA: I agree.Weíve got to do something period but you know thereís a ripple effect here too because it not only affects my position because they have essentially taken one year away from my elected term. Well, hello, thank you for that back to the same old thing your driverís license runs out you canít drive because we said so and in the same respect, the position I have in Newcomb by virtue of that fact Iím also on the county board see what I mean?And the voters too, the voters elected me for two years but by virtue of the Governorís policy she can say, well, no, no we donít want that you can only have one year of the that two year term so thereís that aspect too and again itís a ripple effect and whatever the county can do to jump out in front of this Iíd be willing to support it 100%.


WRIGHT: Anyone else?


GILLILLAND: Bill I guess without taking a vote here Iím sensing that the view of the board is to pursue this further and coming back to the board without actually taking an action in it.What would you say would be the next steps to put this together?


TANSEY:Iíd like to take advantage of the generosity of the Judge Ed Carni and explore the particular issue he has.Heís very intimate with this law but clearly under the Article 9 of the Constitution the rights, powers and privileges of government were granted to local the government and that seems to be a leg to stand on so if itís okay with you all Iíd like to pursue that further and if I come up with a good idea or potential idea Iíll bring it back.


HARRINGTON:I concur with what youíre saying and I believe very strongly that if it isnít broke, donít fix it.So thatís where I stand.


DELORIA:Bill, could you look into what Matt suggested about the municipal home rule for the towns and how they are staggered and authorize terms from a municipal perspective?Will that fit into this somehow?


TANSEY: Of course. I think the entire even year election law it effects those five pieces I brought out.Voter turnout, when local officials are elected, the ballot confusion, diminished local issues, the increase cost of running elections and the ability to attract other candidates to run are all indicated by this law.


DELORIA:Fair enough.


WOOD:I was just curious, we canít be the only county in this situation.Is there any experiences Mr. Carni has had with other counties contacting him and is there any way we can join other counties in our presentation?


TANSEY: Mr. Carni was hired by two charter counties. I did reach out to him and he seemed eager to share some of his ideas.


WOOD: I just wondered if he had the experience of other people reaching out to him as we did because he is already working on it in his capacity.


TANSEY:He said that he had a lot of but he suggested that I first get smart myself which I tried to do but yes.


WOOD: Hopefully these other counties are also educating themselves.Great, thank you.


DOTY:Because weíre on the subject, Iím curious how many of us around on the table are on two-year like myself and how many are four-year?So a lot fewer are on four year.Certainly if we are successful in keeping the old system which I agree with it would be great but I donít anticipate us being successful.In that case, I think at least an assessment looking down the road once the transition does happen, if one of the expectations is for greater voter turnout than I think weíre all winners but I think thatís still up in the air whether thatís even the truth or not so I think there are unanswered questions on both sides of the issue.We are all comfortable in the current terms, if you will we canít out see what the effects will be should it pass thatís for sure. I realize cost there is going to be an extended cost.


GILLILLAND:The reason given for passing this law was to increase voter turnout okay?But when they were opposing this they pulled out a ballot from a town in Westchester that was four screens long and so the occasional voter that only shows up because for national politics and stuff isnít going to get back down to the Village Judge or Highway Superintendent or Village Clerk all the way at the bottom.You know, yes you will actually have more voters walking through but youíre going to have a hell of a lot more incomplete ballots and how many as my colleague on the left here said, how many of us in our local elections Iíve never been asked my opinion on Mr. Trump, Iíve never been asked about Mr. Biden or anybody else what concerns our townís up here is local issues, taxes. The only national issue Iíve ever been asked in my over ten years in office is how do you feel about the 2nd Amendment?Yes, I support the Constitution. That was very easy but you know, this will turn unfortunately I think this will have us all become you served by higher office holders and those inspire higher office to endorse more closely in order to get support and stuff and just see it kind of ripping the fabric, the political fabric of this county apart.Thatís my view.


STANLEY: Keep in mind a couple of things.One, I donít think this affects Judges because they would need to be a separate law they stay on five years so it does not change anything you stillhave to have that election every five years. What it does do and keep in mind this isnít just something that Governor Hochul signed this went through the New York State Legislature to get on her desk okay?Now, if any of us want to run for any position within the State we would have to not run for our position to run against them. How much easier is it for somebody to keep their seat in the New York State Legislature if they donít have people running against them who have experience?And thatís why it has been passed.


GILLILLAND:Good point.


REUSSER: Security.


WRIGHT: Anyone else?


MONTY: Just to piggyback a little bit off what Shaun said, the voter apathy is ridiculous to start with I mean look at how many people came out for the Presidential primary?How much did Essex County pay?Iím betting we had less than 5% voter turnout in Essex County and by combining everything together you think youíre going to get more?I donít think so.


WRIGHT: Anyone else?Okay thank you.Alright, no veteranís report so County Sealer.


MASCARENAS: I will tell you quickly, Veteranís Office the new employee started last week the State employee is in the building. If you get a chance, stop over and meet him. Thatís a good thing.


WOODS: Good morning.Now that ever body is all warm and fuzzy inside.If you turn to the second page, you will see my report from March. I will give you a second to look it over if thereís any questions Iíd be happy to answer.


WRIGHT: Any questions for Dan? I see Ticonderoga is not on the list this week.If not, thank you very much.


WOODS: Thank you. Have a great day.


WRIGHT:Board of Elections, Jack, Mary.


MOULTON:Alright so it was briefly mentioned but we do have the numbers I can share with you 885 voters on election day on April 2nd, 127 early voters, 324 absentee voters bringing a total of 1336 total voters that was out of 17,907 eligible voters which puts the turn out percentage at about 7.5% this was a historic new low turnout.So thatís a quick rundown of our Presidential election.A bunch of other stuff, we had to do petitions the same week which took in and processed 94 individually filed petitions. We also moved everything out of the pod so we are happy to say that we are totally done with the pod, everything is out of there.We are good to go.Then two other things that were in the news this weekend I just thought you should know it hasnít happened here but just in case you guys get questions about it. There was somebody again impersonating an elections worker in Saratoga County going to peopleís doors and pretending they are working for the Board of Elections to verify whether or not they signed a petition. That hasnít happened here I think that may be related to a campaign but just so you guys are aware itís a misdemeanor to impersonate a Board of Elections worker so if you guys hear anything about it please let us know.We donít go door to door definitely not.

And then the last, there was a mail piece sent out it seems to right now just reaching large metropolitan areas but it went out from like a dark money group and it says, people at this address may not be registered to vote please send this form back in.Obviously thatís causing a lot of concerns since most of you at those houses are registered to vote and they get really confused thinking they are not registered. The forms are pre filled in.We havenít received any reports that theyíve come to Essex County but again, when one of your constituents calls you thatís not coming from our office.


WRIGHT: Any questions?


HUGHES:Good morning. So everything is out of the pod? Where is all of that now?


MOULTON: So right now we are waiting to move a couple shelves like physical shelves and then we have two spaces at the public safety building in Lewis.One, which houses the machines and where our technicians work and program and one is our permanent and temporary record storage.


HUGHES: So is there intention for the Board of Elections to move to the public safety building with all that equipment that is over there?


MOULTON: Not that we are aware of.


MASCARENAS: Not right now.Originally that was the intent. The space that we were considering at the time wouldnít work for them and the machines so the machines are in the space that was originally intended for people but having to get the jail down and utilize those ARPA funds is more critical right now than that additional space so for the meantime anyway things will remain a status quo other than probation will be moving up there probably within the month.Their office was carpeted over the weekend. Furniture will be here this week and they will be relocating so then we can disconnect the utilities out of that building but in terms of Board of Elections their office will remain here.They will have individuals going up there routinely because thereís work that happens there.They also conduct their trainings there so they will be floating back and forth between the two spaces but they are going to remain on campus.


HUGHES: Okay thank you.


MONTY:So, given the number of voters what was the overall cost to Essex County taxpayers for that?Is that a number that we can get?


MOULTON: Itís tough because whether we have 1300 voters or 5,000 voters Ė


MONTY: Thatís not my point.My point is Ė


MOULTON: I can definitely get you a number. Do you want staff hours?


MONTY:Absolutely. I want it all.




MONTY: Just to know what the cost Essex County taxpayers to have an election when 7% of the registered voters voted.


McGOWAN: Not only that there was eight days of early voting, we had 127 people to come out to vote.


MONTY: There you go.Include that data as well because you had to have people there.


WRIGHT:Okay any other questions?


THURSTON: So I was contacted by a resident of St. Armand who had gone to vote and Iím sure you all know where Iím going with this. So this was a lifelong resident of the Town of St. Armand.He had been registered to vote for over 40 years and he went into vote and they said, no, no you moved you now live in Tupper Lake so you have to vote over there and he never had moved.So he came to see me and was very upset and I was hoping that you could explain to me how this happened and what can we do to ensure it doesnít happen in the future?


MOULTON: Yeah, so this is another instance where itís a state policy that has severely affected our voter where in DMV now you used to be able to opt to update your voter registration now theyíve changed the policy where you have to opt out of changing your voter registration so if you file any forms at DMV with a different address youíre changing the voter registration and your voter even to the different counties.


THURSTON:But he didnít, he never, we think there was another person with his name so this other person, he has a very common name and he has relatives in the area that have that name so we think that it was a relative of his that actually changed something at DMV and somehow it affected him.


MOULTON: I will call the Franklin County Board of Elections but you have to take the last four digits of your social security number or your driverís license ID number in order to register to vote or to change anything so it would be unlikely but Iím not going to say itís not possible that it was a mistaken identity but more of a paperwork issue because we would of in order to change Franklin County for them to take him as a voter they would of have been provided the last four digits of his social security number which Iím not sure what situation someone else would have it.


THURSTON: None of even what youíre telling me makes any sense for this gentleman to have his address and everything and voter registration.


McGOWAN:But he was able to vote affidavit?




McGOWAN:We took that into consideration and thatís what we looked into.


THURSTON: He also questioned where did his vote go?Was it counted? Etc. So he, it seems like thereís more to this story and Iím hoping that you can help pinpoint what happened.


McGOWAN: Okay weíll get back to you.


MOULTON:And the affidavit ballots come back to us, we look at it, we would see that he did vote in Franklin County and then his vote counts.We cast it as an absentee ballot.We just make sure he doesnít vote at the other address.


DELORIA: One question, do we opt out at the DMV or do we allow the DMV to control our registration?


MOULTON: The DMV is run by the State so I think they follow State policies we donít have any say over them.


DELORIA:Opt out, opt in?


MOULTON: So the individual has to opt out or opt in so if I go update my vehicle registration instead of saying yes, update it Ė


DELORIA: That stupid little check box that I didnít check?


MOULTON: Yes.Weíve had a lot of problems with it over the last maybe three to six months.


DELORIA:Other divide and conquer by the State of New York because I have a friend who doesnít have a driverís license so I donít have to worry about him checking that box.Okay.


THURSTON: Thank you. I appreciate you getting back to me.


MOULTON:Yes I will update you.


WRIGHT: Anyone else?If not, thank you very much.Emergency Services.


WATTS:Good morning. You guys got our report.Is there any questions on it?Alright, I do have a few resolutions to bring up.A resolution to award Bearcom the bid for the remote teller site monitoring system in the amount of $230,803.71, money to come from the SICG23 and to increase revenue to A3020.439601 SICG23 and appropriations to A3020.546041 SICG23 and authorize Bearcom to install the equipment at contracted radio technician rate.




WRIGHT:Discussion?All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS:Authorization to sign a memorandum of agreement for the administration of the FY23-24 Hazardous Material Emergency Preparedness funding award from DHSES.




WRIGHT:Discussion?All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS: A resolution recognizing national public safety telecommunications week for April 14-20.




WRIGHT:Discussion?All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS: A resolution recognizing national EMS week for May 19-25th.




WRIGHT:Discussion?All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS: A resolution to award Northeastern Rescue Vehicles for the purchase of 2024 Mercedes Sprinter Ambulance with installed stretcher in the amount of $227,298.00, with funding coming from the EMS consolidation grant and this talked about and passed through the EMS subcommittee this morning.




WRIGHT: Discussion?No discussion.All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS: And I donít know if this needs a resolution or not but resolution #82, the language was wrong in what we presented.It was described as AEDís for Etown-Lewis EMS and it was actually cardiac monitors we need to change that.


MASCARENAS: Right so you would want to amend that resolution that was incorrect.So a resolution amending resolution #82 and then go ahead and shoot with what you need.


WATTS: Just changing the language to cardiac monitor instead of AED.



WRIGHT:Discussion?All in favor, opposed Ė carried.


WATTS:Thatís all Iíve got unless anybody has any questions?


SMITH:I know that a number of the supervisors has exchanged emails thanking and commending the countyís preparedness with the eclipse and I just would like to take a moment to also notice that.


WATTS: Thank you. I will say that I was more busier than I thought I was going to be but everything went as well as I expected it to so thank you.


HUGHES:Quick question Matt. This past weekend local fire departments participated in recruit New York.Iím curious if and how the county supports those local fire departments or how the county is involved in anyway?


WATTS: Weíre not involved in it. We do send out the notice to the departments saying this is the weekend coming up and kind of give them that and if they have any needs we will certainly help them but Iím not sure how many are actually participating. I know that the participation has gone down over the years but there are still some out there that do it.


HUGHES:Thank you.


WATTS: Youíre welcome. Thank you.


WRIGHT:Sheriffís office Ė Sheriff Reynolds.


REYNOLDS: Iím here for any questions.


WRIGHT: I guess not, thank you.Probation.


SHEEHAN:Good morning everyone.You have my report and I can answer any questions you may have.So as you heard earlier we are in the process of moving up to the public safety building.Our office is going to remain open and work flow is still happening during that transition. I would also like to thank Mr. Dougan and the buildings and grounds crew at the public safety building. Theyíve done an amazing job of helping us have a smooth and seamless transition so thank you very much.


WRIGHT: Any questions for Heather?I guess not.Thank you.Public Defender.


WEYAND:Good morning everybody.My name is Eric Weyand.Iím the new Deputy Public Defender for Ms. Evatt.Itís nice to meet everyone. Thereís no report but Iím happy to answer any questions the board may have.


WRIGHT: Any questions for Eric?


GILLILLAND: How do you like working here in Essex County?


WEYAND: I love it. My favorite place to work.


WRIGHT: You passed that test.Anyone else?††

REUSSER: Welcome.


WEYAND: Thank you.


WRIGHT: Conflict Defender.


HADDEN:Good morning everybody. I havenít seen you all in a little while because Iíve been running around the courts so I havenít been here but if you have any questions Iím happy to answer them.


WRIGHT: Any questions?Thank you very much.Does anyone have anything else?


HUGHES:Good morning. I was going to ask this question at Human Services but I saw Coroners on here so I figured I would raise it here and if it should be changed to something else let me know. I was listening to a news report this morning about how a couple of north country counties offered indigent funeral services where they had mentioned they are one in five residents in northern New York lives below the Federal poverty line and that funeral service for somebody who passes away could cost between $3,000 and $10,000 and thatís a huge burden for some of our families and I wasnít aware if our county provides support of funding for those qualified who achieve or meet that threshold for providing some financial support to help bury a loved one who they couldnít necessarily afford themselves.


MASCARENAS: The answer is yes we do.So through DSS those indigent burials happen.You get an argument from some of our funeral homes that maybe we donít pay a high enough rate to cover some of the costs.Some of you have probably had those discussions with your funeral homes but yes, we do and last time I checked I was Commissioner we can certainly get those numbers but I want to say it was around $70,000 a year we spend countywide in indigent burials so thereís a significant amount there that we do and I can get you our rate tables and everything that we provide.


HUGHES: That was the nexus of the conversation was that cost have gone up.


MASCARENAS: I figured as much.You were back dooring me.


HUGHES: No I promise you that five years on this board and Iíve never heard of that discussion.


MASCARENAS: Yeah, so this board passed a resolution


HUGHES: Six years ago right?


MASCARENAS: Yeah it was probably right around there when I became Commissioner so it was 2017 we changed the rates at that time to better reflect what was going on. We have done a lot of work recently because of this issue youíre speaking of and determining new rates and how other counties do it. Thereís very different ways to handle indigent but we do have a proposal ready to bring to this board and ready to go so weíre actually pretty well prepared on this front just wasnít ready to make that presentation but weíre in good shape.


HUGHES: I know.Thank you.


REUSSER: Is that in addition to the Medicaid provision?

MASCARENAS: Thatís what it is.Thatís exactly what it is so those folks that qualify for Medicaid is essentially qualified for indigent burial.Thereís the occasion where we have unclaimed bodies that also qualify.Until I was Commissioner never realized that kind of thing happened where we would just get a call from a funeral home saying weíve got this person, weíve got nobody that will do it so then they become ours and we take care of that from that point forward.


WRIGHT: Anyone else have anything to come before the committee?If not, we stand adjourned.


††††††††††† As there was no further discussion to come before this Public Safety Committee it was adjourned at 10:08 a.m.


Respectfully submitted,




Judith Garrison, Clerk

Board of Supervisors